The Uncanny Coffee Hour with Dr Kitsune and Odd Bob
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The Uncanny Coffee Hour with Dr Kitsune and Odd Bob
The Hairy Holy Man: Navajo Bigfoot part 2
What if everything you thought you knew about Bigfoot was filtered through a colonial lens? Donovan Yazzie, a Diné (Navajo) storyteller, completely transforms our understanding of these forest beings by sharing ancestral knowledge about "Ye'i Tso" - what Western culture calls Sasquatch.
Far from mere campfire tales, Donovan reveals how these beings have been integral to Navajo survival and spiritual understanding. He recounts forgotten histories: a small girl during military persecution who could miraculously gather food because her "hairy grandpa" helped her; disabled children left behind during forced relocations who were found years later, thriving under Sasquatch care; and his own wife's aunt who was rescued during a blizzard by a being who still watches over her to this day.
The conversation transitions from these protective encounters to darker accounts of Sasquatch stalking or chasing people, particularly women gathering piñon nuts. Donovan weaves a complex spiritual tapestry connecting Sasquatch to other phenomena - from skinwalkers and "little people" to UFOs - while balancing traditional knowledge with his Christian faith. His upcoming podcast "Don't Whistle at Night" aims to create space for Native Americans to share their paranormal experiences.
A profoundly different understanding emerges: these aren't just elusive creatures but beings with moral agency, individual personalities, and deep connections to indigenous communities spanning centuries. With extraordinary physical capabilities, including 30-foot vertical jumps and tremendous speed, they remain mysterious guardians of a sacred landscape most of us barely comprehend.
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Speaker 1:I'm an evil cause there's nothing else to do From the fragrant fields beneath the full flower moon, east of Springfield. Welcome to the Dr Kitsune Odd Bob Uncanny Coffee Hour. Where we are always respectful with a touch of impish irreverence. Where we are always respectful with a touch of impish irreverence.
Speaker 3:We tell stories with wit and wisdom, encouraging a strong look at Indigenous perspectives, and I'm a proud Pooka woman named Suersha. I lend me bits of magic and shape-shifting voice talents to the show, and I'm not an idjit like these two yokels.
Speaker 1:Brought to you this week by Dr Kitsune's Ushioni Espresso. Thicker than blood, darker than a politician's soul, drink Ushioni Espresso today. Get some. Oh no, I had a baby. Get some. So, hey, what are you drinking today? I am drinking water with a little bit of lime juice in it.
Speaker 3:Add three fingers of dark-spoiled rum and you're talking.
Speaker 1:Lime juice? Yeah, is it freshly-melted lime juice? It is. It's hard. It's hard to get the teats just right to get the lime juice out.
Speaker 3:Oh Jesus.
Speaker 1:So I'm drinking Lapsang Suchong Smoky. You've had that before.
Speaker 3:I have. Well, since this is a carry-on episode, mine is different every single time.
Speaker 1:Well, this is an episode that we are previously recorded. You know, I thought I would drink the same thing as I drank in a previous episode it's very smoky, smoky, it's almost like drinking a nice peat smoked whiskey, but not quite. I'm not allowed to drink for like six months while I'm on blood thinners jesus, mary and joseph, six months.
Speaker 1:That did not actually make it into last episode. Do you want to tell everyone why you're on blood thinners? Well, because I had a previous injury in my heart and there was some scar tissue and what was her? Name Saoirse.
Speaker 3:Quit your whinging. You lost that knife. Fight fair and square.
Speaker 1:No, I had a little bit of a heart attack, just a little one, no big deal, I didn't know there were ranges of heart attack, yeah yeah, this was a no big deal heart attack, so, uh-huh, that sounds about as serious as a heart attack well, you know, uh, you got that normal background pain that's in your body all the time this was a different sort of pain so if you feel that different sort of pain, go in.
Speaker 1:I've I've got that pain and emotional pain like which one do I listen to. Go in for both. Okay, what are you drinking?
Speaker 3:searcher I'm having a traditional irish coffee including fresh squeezed cream and the tears of a drunken sailor.
Speaker 1:All right, good to hear it. I'm glad you're in a good mood.
Speaker 3:Oh, go on, go on.
Speaker 1:She's always in a good mood, yeah.
Speaker 3:Don't mistake a moment's peace for genuine contentment now.
Speaker 1:All right. So we had an opportunity to chat with Donnaovan Yazzie from the Nye people about the Ye'i Tso.
Speaker 3:Saski, Watch our Bigfoot.
Speaker 1:And he was telling us about his family and some of the encounters they had with the Sasquatch or the Ye'i Tso.
Speaker 3:Big Dengus.
Speaker 1:What did you think of all that?
Speaker 3:Large member.
Speaker 1:I thought it was great yeah, groget, he's a very, very cool guy. Yeah, very good storyteller Cool stories, yeah, and I think we're going to continue with that interview we had with him, with that chat we had with him, and he's going to talk a little bit about kind of the history with the Dine people. Yeah, last time he talked about his own personal encounter.
Speaker 3:I had an encounter with a big dangus.
Speaker 1:And this time we.
Speaker 3:Very hairy.
Speaker 1:He was going to talk about the yeah, the history.
Speaker 3:In need of a shave.
Speaker 1:Did we get to the point where he was talking about the little girl climbing down the?
Speaker 3:cliff no, not attractive.
Speaker 1:So no cliffhanger.
Speaker 3:Trim the topiary, you know.
Speaker 1:There was no cliffhanger. Trim the topiary. You know there was no cliffhanger. All right, let's get started. Then let's get on with the previous episode underway.
Speaker 3:Did you remember to cut the chafing talk out?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember, I remember Saoirse.
Speaker 3:You need to cut that part out.
Speaker 1:Well, you know it's a coffee hour, but really it's only 28 minutes. So we have two 28 minute segments. That's two hours. Yeah, in sasquatch time time is all relative. It's all relative. I don't have any relatives named time. Got a relative named herb in this liminal space, 28 minutes is an hour. Okay, all right, let's go then. Let's go then.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I've done that I've never heard of someone being able to do that without rubbing it raw in the process.
Speaker 1:Light touch well, I got a boatload of dr katsune's miracle oil. I think that might help you guys out yeah, but the smell. It smells wonderful like cloves. We should probably call donovan, don't you think? Yeah, hey, search Serge. Would you mind dialing him up?
Speaker 3:Not a bother, donovan. Hello Donovan you there. Hello Donovan you there, love.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Can we pick it up where you last left off? I hear there is a cliff involved.
Speaker 2:I'd love to talk about Bigfoot, talk about Sasquatch. Yeah, it's all. There's also a different story of a canyon where they're hiding up on a high canyon the cliff canyon and the cavalry were surrounded at the bottom and they made a human chain. They let down the smallest girl. She was skinny, she was small, but she was fast. She got down to the bottom and she ran all the way across the canyon floor. She crawled up the canyon wall, the cliff, into the forest, to the pine forest, and she gathered up as much juniper berries as she can and she came, made her way back up before the sun came up. You know, because that's what we had to live off to survive at that period. And you know as she kept doing that every day. You know they're sieging us there.
Speaker 2:And as the day kept going, they noticed that she was getting faster and faster, bringing back more juniper berries, this time in a sack, like a woven cedar sack. You know something that's been pieced together by a hand, but not by our hand. Why by, not by our knowledge? You know something that's not from us period full with juniper berries. And they're asking her how are you making this so fast? How are you bringing back so much, so fast, you know. And she's like oh, my grandpa, my hairy grandpa, is helping me when I make it up the cliff. He already has these bags ready for me odd bob.
Speaker 3:You're somewhat of a hairy grandpa yourself.
Speaker 2:And there's this other part in the mountains, this little band. They had to leave. They had to leave and they couldn't take their children with them because some of them were physically disabled and all they could do was put them in a hogan out in the middle of nowhere. Put them in a hogan, build a fire for them and leave as much food as they can with them. And they cried, they left. You know they're crying. And then they, they went and played hide and go seek. Eight years, nine years pass and the war is over. You know, no one wants to kill navajos anymore. So they start making their way back home and that's the first place that they went to go. And, you know, find the bodies of their babies and bury them. That's what they're expecting to find their bodies. And as they got near to the area, they saw smoke coming from that hoga and they started crying and they started running. They got into the hogan. They seen their kids grew, you know, they seen their kids. Well, they seen their kids warm. They had plenty of wood, plenty of food and some soup cooking over the fire, you know. And they're they're crying, like you know.
Speaker 2:Explain this, how can this be? Who's taking care of you guys and they're saying that they are the hairy man, the hairy holy man. When we got sick, he would take one of the kids away for a couple days and he would bring the kid back well. And another kid would get sick. He would take that kid away for a few days and bring that kid back well. So the other name is the hairy holy man that we give him.
Speaker 2:And even now, it's just recently, um, my wife's side, her aunt, when she was a child, she was, um, herding sheep out and I don't know, out in the mountain, and this one, uh, freak blizzard king, you know, she couldn't see, she couldn't see where she was going. She lost the sheep, you know, and all she could do is just go underneath the cedar tree and just, uh, you know, just huddle up with herself. And you know she was expecting to die and freeze and she's getting tired and she fell asleep. And then, this moment, you know, and then she noticed that she was being carried. She got picked up by something. She's being carried by something hairy and warm, you know, and she just felt so safe, this thing was holding her.
Speaker 2:And then, you know, before she said, after a while, this thing took, took a place turned down on her front of her porch, of her hoga, facing her front door, and she turned around and she said that it was no s Sasquatch standing there and he was backing up. He backed up all the way into the tree line. He was watching her and she told him thank you, you know, thank you for saving my life. I love you, you know, just saying that, you know, being thankful to him all in Navajo.
Speaker 2:And she went inside, you know, and she said, still to this day, she knows he's around or she feels it, you know, and she goes outside and she looks around and she'll see him in the tree line, either peeking the tree, and she, you know, and then he reveals himself to her. He shows himself and she tells him I'm okay, I'm all right, I'm safe, I'm still all right. You know, everything's okay here, you don't have to worry about me, I'm fine. And he disappears, he backs up back into the tree line, he makes his way back to his mountain. He has his own mountain here on the Navajo Nation. Then there's also the dark stories of Sasquatch. You know, I don't know these things, they like blood. Yeah, some horrible stories that I came across while investigating across Navajo land. Some scary stories actually. Even the cops here would tell you to lock your door. Some of the cops here would tell you to sasquatch here and lock your door.
Speaker 1:I was telling Bob that you had so many stories. You know we should.
Speaker 2:We could talk to you for friggin' oh yeah yeah, about, about the strange and about the yeah, funny stuff you know or so?
Speaker 1:are your people allowed to talk about stick indians, because I know some tribes aren't?
Speaker 2:that's the little people right yeah yeah, yeah, um, I'm not supposed to talk about anything. Actually, it's uh, it's a huge taboo. You know, I'm gonna get some personal letters later, I'm sure of it. I look forward to it, but all this is very, very taboo.
Speaker 1:Maybe there's a reason for that right Like is that it can attract it to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Are you worried about that at all, or do you do any?
Speaker 2:I'm a believer, a firm believer in Jesus Christ. You know, because I have seen him work, I've seen him do miracles. I called on him when whatever was outside the trailer was trying to come in and take us as children. And you know, I played the Ouija board, you know, and I seen what that can do and what that can bring, what that can do and what that can bring. And I seen Jesus bring back a puppy that was ran over, that was flat and my little brother and I were kids at the time. We start praying for him and that that dog got inflated and he, he was alive. You know just miracles like that, you know, and seeing ghosts too, ever since I was a child. So I don't know if it's just a gift or a curse.
Speaker 3:A bit of both.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day I do. Yeah, at the end of the day I still, you know, call on God because you know, from time to time he takes me in my dream. He shows me what's going to happen about a week from now, or a year from now, two years from now. You know, I can't really, I don't really know when it will happen, but he shows me ahead of time. In our language that's, or in our way that's, called a dreamer. You know the person that sees the future, because you know the dreams. It's just not a dream, it's a vision. You know it's. It's just not a dream, it's a vision. You know it's a vision from the other side.
Speaker 2:We had a leader. His name is Kayeli Translation. That means the one who quivers and he's one of the leaders of the band that my ancestors head out with. He, like, whenever the cavalry would be close, or enemy warriors, the scouts, he would have the chills on his lower back and he would get the chills all over and he would jump up and tell everyone let's go, let's go. Or he'd wake up from a dream and he'll have the chills and he'll tell everyone let's go, we need to leave now, let's go. You know, he was really strict. He was always on the move all the time. That's why he was never captured. And then geronimo, he had that same gift too. Um, he was a dreamer as well. He could see in the future. So you know, it's just some strange, paranormal, unexplained things, you know we only had one guy like that in my culture.
Speaker 1:His name was Radar O'Reilly.
Speaker 2:Radar O'Reilly.
Speaker 1:Sorry, yeah, that's cool. What is your podcast exactly?
Speaker 2:What are you going to call it and what are you doing on it? The podcast is called Don't Whistle at Night. That's the name. Cool, and this podcast is, you know, it's been at work for a few years. I'm really going to need to start this podcast because you know there's a lot of other things that run around other than sasquatch.
Speaker 2:We have the little people too, yeah, and they like to. They like to stalk, um, the women and children, especially when they're out, hurting, shoot, hurting their livestock. These things will be, you know, showing them their teeth and following them along the cliffside. They actually stay in a ridge called Cone Ridge that goes from within the center of Navajo Nation and it goes all the way into the four corners, into Utah, so it connects to another patch of mountains and then Colorado and Bigfoot takes that whole ridge line and that whole ridge line is also home to skinwalkers, where they do their initiation ceremonies and their sacred practices for the new initiates, or sacred meetings for their secret society, for their deals.
Speaker 2:And the reason why I speak on that is because my family, we came from them. You know, we used to be in that society before I was born and we, you know, we turned our back on it. You know, we became believers in Christ and because we've done that, our own family came out and started killing us and my own family came out and started witching me. I had my hair cut and missing things and I was having all kinds of horrible nightmares and I was getting into accidents and all kinds of horrible things were taking place. And, yeah, it's just another can of worms after another can of worms after another can of worms. You know, and I believe that you know exposing it, you know talking about it, saying, hey, there's this going on here that I think you should know about. You know there's something dark going on there that I think we all should know about. You know there's a sacred kingdom that you know dark going on there that I think we all should know about. There's a sacred kingdom that is going on.
Speaker 2:But the podcast is for the Native Americans, a podcast for them, because there's not really a podcast for the Native American people. You know, to come and share a ghost story or Sasquatch story or a little person's story or a UFO story, you know, or maybe something even scary, you know, and it's just a place for just a chill vibe. You know, where everyone can just come and share and you know we can all just share some scary stories with the world and for the outside world. And this could be another way of us introducing ourselves to you, showing our vulnerable side to the outside world, what we see here and what we encounter here, and this is going to be a different side from the Navajo people and from our native people that I would like to introduce To the Wider audience. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Would you be okay if we put a link On our site to you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, I have an episode too that I just got done editing. It's going to, it's gonna drop this coming Friday, very cool, and I got plenty More guests coming up and it's gonna be Some good shows coming up and definitely would like to have you guys on, you know.
Speaker 1:What's your next episode about?
Speaker 2:Let's see that one is pretty much open. I got I got a lot of guests, it's just. It just depends on the timing, I mean the one you're editing now.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, sorry. Um, you heard of, uh, thomas Seawood. Oh, he's a Northwest tribesman, he's an expert expert about Sasquatch. He has like-minded, like same thing. We are, you know, getting our word out there and you know Native American knowledge and, along with culture and history, ties with Sasquatch. You know, and that's what we can prove, you know, on our heritage here on this continent, it's like, hey, we got tied to this guy. We got like over 300 tribes and just thinking about over 300 different names he has and over 300 different stories he has, you know. So you know, it's just amazing.
Speaker 1:What's Sasquatch called in Dene Nevo. Know, it's just amazing. What's that?
Speaker 2:squash called in Dine Nevo Ye-ee-to, ye-ee-to, interesting. Can you say it? Can Bob say? It I got to hear you.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll do my best.
Speaker 2:Yeah for the audience. Yeah, ye-ee-to. Oh, I was close. All right, your turn, ye-ee-to. Yeah, yehito, oh, I was close. Alright, yerger.
Speaker 1:Yehito.
Speaker 2:Try the, try the. So Alright, yehito, yeah, right there.
Speaker 1:Yehito, is there an S in there, so?
Speaker 2:Yenitoo Easy. Easy yeah, it was close, right yeah.
Speaker 1:Is there an S in there? So Yeti 2? He's a Yeti 2?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was close right. Yeah, yeah, he's Yeti 2. Then there's the six-toed, the six-fingered giants. They're the Yeti, didn't they the Yeti? And then their grandpa is Yeti P'che, so he's the one that flies around under the silver shields in the skies. Whoa.
Speaker 1:He does what.
Speaker 2:He flies around with that silver shield in the sky that we call UAP UFO.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know, it's just another can of worms.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know, that's what I got from my Navajo culture side. You know all this knowledge and you know it's just like wow, it's pretty crazy just to think about it. And when you think about this world, everyone, the society, everyone shares the same mental delusion that their PhD, you know their doctors and you know experts. They're doctors and experts, but if we cut you open you're going to bleed and your blood's not going to spell out you're a doctor, you're just normal. These guys are the real deal. They're different. These guys can like when they start running this big one I was tracking he has like 23-inch foot track, one foot and one stride, and him walking is six-foot strides and then when he started running, it's nine-foot strides and then 12-foot strides and 15-foot strides each step. Then he started jumping and it went to 30 feet to 36 feet where he's landing and jumping and this guy can jump like 31 to 36 feet up vertical on a cliff and climb a cliff like nothing.
Speaker 2:So, these guys are amazing and like they can jump Thousand feet down from slot canyon Walls, jumping from cliff to cliff, like this big horn sheep. Yeah, these guys can do it too, but when they do it they look like frogs. You know how a frog jumps? Yeah, it looks like a frog. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Uncanny coffee why we don't fit in. We're kind of this plague on this earth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're replaced here by the creator, that's for sure. We're of his creation, we're of him, we're his children, the Sasquatches. They could be his children too, of the night, or they could be something else. Because we had this, uh, uh, back in the 2000s, this one guy named jc johnson. He was, uh, probably the first well-known cryptozoologist here on navajo land. He was investigating all the lizard man, the, the ET Bigfoot, you know all kinds. He has a channel on YouTube.
Speaker 2:So he had three trackers, two Navajo trackers and one Ute tracker, and they're on this trail of one, and they lost him. They thought that he got beamed up because he jumped up the cliff. This cliff was like 26 feet and he left the hair, the hair behind, and they got the hair, they did the DNA and the hair came back. They said that his mom is Native American and his dad is non-human and they separated the dad's gene, they introduced the dog's gene to it and that gene attached to the dog's gene. They introduced it to another gene, that thing. He called it bulletproof, that gene was bulletproof and he called it a fallen angel gene.
Speaker 1:That sounds like the stories of the Nephilim.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's from his evidence, what he gathered, and he passed away not too long after that. So mystery, that's mystery. Yeah, yeah, he does take women and children, though that's for sure. Still to this day, when Pinon comes into season, there'd be females picking Pinon. He'd be tree-peeking, and then the females would notice them. They'd get up and then he'd come out the tree, show himself and they'd turn around, start walking to their vehicle, look back, and he starts jogging towards them and they start running. And he starts jogging towards them and they start running and this thing's running towards them. They get and he grabs their jacket and you know, they get out of that jacket. They make it to the car, lock the car door, and this thing hits the car door and is trying to open the car door, you know. So, yeah, there's. We got a lot of that happening on the Naufu Nation, and even females running, going for a jog, and this thing's paralleling them, running along with them in the forest all the way home. They stop when they stop.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I've heard that they will just keep pace with you and just out of, just barely out of sight.
Speaker 2:And just stay with you, you know.
Speaker 3:I'd like to see him try that with me. Well, we need to wrap it up, boys. May luck go with you on your journeys. Donovan, Thank you for your time. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1:Very cool. Thank you All right. Thanks, man. Thanks so much. It was great to meet you.
Speaker 2:Oh, likewise Bob. Thank you guys.
Speaker 1:That was really awesome man. Yeah, that was really awesome man. Yeah, that was really cool. I'm really glad that we got to talk to him and that he was willing to share his stories with us.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know, man, we're Sasquatch. Now we really need a hero.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we do. We could really use a. Yeah, you saw, to come and save the day for us. We need those anti-fascist Sasquatch. We could really use a. Yeah, it's all to come and save the day for us.
Speaker 1:We need those anti-fascist Sasquatch and you know. Just want to say thank you, donovan. That was really great and you're welcome on the show anytime. If you've got any friends, please send them our way and to our listening audience. If you have any stories remember all stories are true. Absolutely doesn't matter. We're not trying to prove anything here.
Speaker 4:Yep, send your stories to us at I forget the email but yeah, I'll insert whatever email is yeah oh, for jesus sake, let me do it you can email us your story by sending it to uncannycoffeestory at gmailcom.
Speaker 1:And uh, if you want to tell us, if you want your voice on the air, send us an email, we'll give you a call. And, uh, we want to reach across the oceans also, regardless of what culture you're from. Oh yeah, this is universe wide, not worldwide. Yeah, if, if you're in Alpha Centauri and you want to tell us something uncanny, feel free to just drop on by or give us a call. And to our two listeners in Russia New Paraluski?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Spasibo, thanks for listening. The only Russian I know is from the Hunt for an October, so you know. Okay, yeah, so thanks so much, and catch you next time. Yeah, sersha, is it spud?
Speaker 4:time Boys, it is always spud time. Thanks for listening. Join us next time for more Uncanny Chats and coffee and tea. You can find out more about us, read show notes and get your Uncanny merch at wwwuncannycoffeepodcastcom. Until next time, Remember never whistle at night.
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Speaker 4:Huh, bigfoot, big dangas. Something to contemplate while I have some more spuds and Guinness.
